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Title: Strategy Games
Post by: thinkingthing on December 12, 2009, 12:27:27 PM
I used to looooove sprawling strategy games like Civilizations and Galactic Civilizations, but they just don't seem to provide enough gratification anymore since I discovered eurogames like Settlers of Catan.

Anyone else get on the wagon? Do computer games still "do it" for you?
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Lexus on December 12, 2009, 06:03:48 PM
You mean you like the board game of Settlers of Catan more then you like strategy video games?

I liked the board game a lot, but I dont got enough people to play it with.

And besides that, you can do so much more in computer games.
Title: a strategy game that is like AOE2 or EE?
Post by: Jews32 on December 16, 2009, 03:53:29 AM
These new strategy games are way to fast paced, what happend to the empire building with the impenetrable walls like Empire Earth or Age of Empires 2..



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Title: Re: a strategy game that is like AOE2 or EE?
Post by: Drewthetexan on December 16, 2009, 10:19:35 AM
These new strategy games are way to fast paced, what happend to the empire building with the impenetrable walls like Empire Earth or Age of Empires 2..

+1

I stopped playing strategy games because there isn't enough long term strategy.  It's all about immediate gratification.  You just throw a mass of bodies willy-nilly against another mass.

My absolute most favorite strategy game was Xcom: Terror From the Deep.  It was a 1-player turn-based tactical/strategy game.  If you went too fast or didn't take the time to carefully move your very limited troops (maybe 10 at most?) and resources around during missions, your squad was reduced to puddles of goo . The enemy was ALWAYS superior in numbers, weapons, and tactical advantage; the one advantage you did have was time and patience, if you could stand it.   

Lately I've gotten more enjoyment out of the "free" flash game hex empire (http://www.arcadebomb.com/play/hex_empire.html) than anything else I've played. 
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Shirow on December 16, 2009, 10:44:17 AM
I really wish someone would release a new turn based game like that.. I played Silent Storm to death but there's been nothing since then.
Title: Re: a strategy game that is like AOE2 or EE?
Post by: Lexus on December 16, 2009, 11:05:10 AM
These new strategy games are way to fast paced, what happend to the empire building with the impenetrable walls like Empire Earth or Age of Empires 2..

+1

I stopped playing strategy games because there isn't enough long term strategy.  It's all about immediate gratification.  You just throw a mass of bodies willy-nilly against another mass.

My absolute most favorite strategy game was Xcom: Terror From the Deep.  It was a 1-player turn-based tactical/strategy game.  If you went too fast or didn't take the time to carefully move your very limited troops (maybe 10 at most?) and resources around during missions, your squad was reduced to puddles of goo . The enemy was ALWAYS superior in numbers, weapons, and tactical advantage; the one advantage you did have was time and patience, if you could stand it.   

Lately I've gotten more enjoyment out of the "free" flash game hex empire (http://www.arcadebomb.com/play/hex_empire.html) than anything else I've played. 

Have you tried Soldiers: Heroes of World War 2?

At best you got like one tank and 2 to 3 soldiers and you got to take on entire armies. If you dont play that right you are gonna loose. You could choose the equipment, had to think of types of ammunition for your tanks (AP or HE) and stuff like that. Seriously epic game.
Title: Re: a strategy game that is like AOE2 or EE?
Post by: Drewthetexan on December 16, 2009, 12:15:29 PM
These new strategy games are way to fast paced, what happend to the empire building with the impenetrable walls like Empire Earth or Age of Empires 2..

+1

I stopped playing strategy games because there isn't enough long term strategy.  It's all about immediate gratification.  You just throw a mass of bodies willy-nilly against another mass.

My absolute most favorite strategy game was Xcom: Terror From the Deep.  It was a 1-player turn-based tactical/strategy game.  If you went too fast or didn't take the time to carefully move your very limited troops (maybe 10 at most?) and resources around during missions, your squad was reduced to puddles of goo . The enemy was ALWAYS superior in numbers, weapons, and tactical advantage; the one advantage you did have was time and patience, if you could stand it.   

Lately I've gotten more enjoyment out of the "free" flash game hex empire (http://www.arcadebomb.com/play/hex_empire.html) than anything else I've played. 

Have you tried Soldiers: Heroes of World War 2?

At best you got like one tank and 2 to 3 soldiers and you got to take on entire armies. If you dont play that right you are gonna loose. You could choose the equipment, had to think of types of ammunition for your tanks (AP or HE) and stuff like that. Seriously epic game.

I'll look into it. 

Maybe I'm gonna just have to make my own game one day. Not that I really know how!
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Shirow on December 16, 2009, 04:00:57 PM
Have you tried Soldiers: Heroes of World War 2?

At best you got like one tank and 2 to 3 soldiers and you got to take on entire armies. If you dont play that right you are gonna loose. You could choose the equipment, had to think of types of ammunition for your tanks (AP or HE) and stuff like that. Seriously epic game.

Is it turn based?
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Lexus on December 16, 2009, 04:06:35 PM
Have you tried Soldiers: Heroes of World War 2?

At best you got like one tank and 2 to 3 soldiers and you got to take on entire armies. If you dont play that right you are gonna loose. You could choose the equipment, had to think of types of ammunition for your tanks (AP or HE) and stuff like that. Seriously epic game.

Is it turn based?

No its not. Which adds to the difficulty of the game if you ask me.

Instead, they did put in a direct control mode, giving you the ability to circumvent bad path finding and stuff by letting you walk your unit and let him aim and stuff.
Dont make the mistake by thinking that its easy because of that because seriously its not. Ive never had to reload previous saves so often.
Title: Re: a strategy game that is like AOE2 or EE?
Post by: thinkingthing on December 16, 2009, 09:51:57 PM
what happend to the empire building with the impenetrable walls like Empire Earth or Age of Empires 2..

I was a big AOE2 fan, and also enjoyed Rise of Nations RTS, which was pretty much like AOE across all epochs, starting with stone age and ending with nuclear annihilation. But Rise of Nations is like five years old, now!

Usually thinking of RTS as more tactical than strategic. If you stop to think you get your ass handed to you by the AI.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Shirow on December 17, 2009, 07:25:45 AM
Have you tried Soldiers: Heroes of World War 2?

At best you got like one tank and 2 to 3 soldiers and you got to take on entire armies. If you dont play that right you are gonna loose. You could choose the equipment, had to think of types of ammunition for your tanks (AP or HE) and stuff like that. Seriously epic game.

Is it turn based?

No its not. Which adds to the difficulty of the game if you ask me.

Instead, they did put in a direct control mode, giving you the ability to circumvent bad path finding and stuff by letting you walk your unit and let him aim and stuff.
Dont make the mistake by thinking that its easy because of that because seriously its not. Ive never had to reload previous saves so often.

I prefer turn based generally
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Lexus on December 17, 2009, 01:24:43 PM
Jagged Alliance 2?

Ive got that laying around somewhere. I really liked it. To bad I didnt understand how it worked so I could never properly play it.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Drewthetexan on December 17, 2009, 06:42:20 PM
ZOMG!!

Apparently there was a new xcom released in 2007.  Turn-based and everything.

Called UFO:Extraterrestrials (http://ufo.ufo-extraterrestrials.com/).  I know what I'm getting for christmas!  Apparently there is also a prequel to the 2007 game due to be released around this time next year.  

I hope it is as brutal and unforgiving as terror from the deep.  There was nothing better than an alien throwing a grenade inside your ship, wiping out half your crew while the rest went berserk and started shooting the walls and each other - on the first move - and still, somehow, managing to complete the mission.  That game was hardcore!

EDIT: if anyone is interested, the game can be purchased at matrixgames.com (http://www.matrixgames.com/products/342/details/UFO:.Extraterrestrials)
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Shirow on December 17, 2009, 07:36:30 PM
Jagged Alliance 2?

Ive got that laying around somewhere. I really liked it. To bad I didnt understand how it worked so I could never properly play it.

Played that a million times
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Shirow on December 17, 2009, 07:36:57 PM
ZOMG!!

Apparently there was a new xcom released in 2007.  Turn-based and everything.

Called UFO:Extraterrestrials (http://ufo.ufo-extraterrestrials.com/).  I know what I'm getting for christmas!  Apparently there is also a prequel to the 2007 game due to be released around this time next year. 

I hope it is as brutal and unforgiving as terror from the deep.  There was nothing better than an alien throwing a grenade inside your ship, wiping out half your crew while the rest went berserk and started shooting the walls and each other - on the first move - and still, somehow, managing to complete the mission.  That game was hardcore!

EDIT: if anyone is interested, the game can be purchased at matrixgames.com (http://www.matrixgames.com/products/342/details/UFO:.Extraterrestrials)

It's not made by the same people though.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Lexus on December 18, 2009, 02:22:47 AM
Jagged Alliance 2?

Ive got that laying around somewhere. I really liked it. To bad I didnt understand how it worked so I could never properly play it.

Played that a million times

I should see if that works under windows 7. Might be fun to do again.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Drewthetexan on December 18, 2009, 09:05:35 AM
ZOMG!!

Apparently there was a new xcom released in 2007.  Turn-based and everything.

Called UFO:Extraterrestrials (http://ufo.ufo-extraterrestrials.com/).  I know what I'm getting for christmas!  Apparently there is also a prequel to the 2007 game due to be released around this time next year. 

I hope it is as brutal and unforgiving as terror from the deep.  There was nothing better than an alien throwing a grenade inside your ship, wiping out half your crew while the rest went berserk and started shooting the walls and each other - on the first move - and still, somehow, managing to complete the mission.  That game was hardcore!

EDIT: if anyone is interested, the game can be purchased at matrixgames.com (http://www.matrixgames.com/products/342/details/UFO:.Extraterrestrials)

It's not made by the same people though.

Thanks, Dismal Dan.  :)

Honestly, I'm not sure what you mean by that.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Shirow on December 18, 2009, 10:11:01 AM
ZOMG!!

Apparently there was a new xcom released in 2007.  Turn-based and everything.

Called UFO:Extraterrestrials (http://ufo.ufo-extraterrestrials.com/).  I know what I'm getting for christmas!  Apparently there is also a prequel to the 2007 game due to be released around this time next year. 

I hope it is as brutal and unforgiving as terror from the deep.  There was nothing better than an alien throwing a grenade inside your ship, wiping out half your crew while the rest went berserk and started shooting the walls and each other - on the first move - and still, somehow, managing to complete the mission.  That game was hardcore!

EDIT: if anyone is interested, the game can be purchased at matrixgames.com (http://www.matrixgames.com/products/342/details/UFO:.Extraterrestrials)

It's not made by the same people though.

Thanks, Dismal Dan.  :)

Honestly, I'm not sure what you mean by that.

UFO: Extraterrestrials wasn't made by the same people as X-COM, it's just a knock off. I didn't really care for it myself.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Lexus on December 18, 2009, 10:39:34 AM
I think I got that UFO game. In fact, I think I have the entire trilogy. Not sure. I got so much games Im not sure anymore which ones I got and which ones I dont got.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Drewthetexan on December 18, 2009, 01:47:39 PM
ZOMG!!

Apparently there was a new xcom released in 2007.  Turn-based and everything.

Called UFO:Extraterrestrials (http://ufo.ufo-extraterrestrials.com/).  I know what I'm getting for christmas!  Apparently there is also a prequel to the 2007 game due to be released around this time next year. 

I hope it is as brutal and unforgiving as terror from the deep.  There was nothing better than an alien throwing a grenade inside your ship, wiping out half your crew while the rest went berserk and started shooting the walls and each other - on the first move - and still, somehow, managing to complete the mission.  That game was hardcore!

EDIT: if anyone is interested, the game can be purchased at matrixgames.com (http://www.matrixgames.com/products/342/details/UFO:.Extraterrestrials)

It's not made by the same people though.

Thanks, Dismal Dan.  :)

Honestly, I'm not sure what you mean by that.

UFO: Extraterrestrials wasn't made by the same people as X-COM, it's just a knock off. I didn't really care for it myself.

<sigh>

I'm guessing you checked it out then?  No good? That's a bummer.  I was all excited about it. 

I don't have an issue with it being made by another company, in and of itself, but my hope was that it was true to the originals.   
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Shirow on December 18, 2009, 05:37:14 PM
I'm guessing you checked it out then?  No good? That's a bummer.  I was all excited about it. 

I don't have an issue with it being made by another company, in and of itself, but my hope was that it was true to the originals.   

Give it a try, some people liked it. Maybe I'm just old and jaded.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: grobmotoriker on December 18, 2009, 07:16:35 PM
ZOMG!!

Apparently there was a new xcom released in 2007.  Turn-based and everything.

Called UFO:Extraterrestrials (http://ufo.ufo-extraterrestrials.com/).  I know what I'm getting for christmas!  Apparently there is also a prequel to the 2007 game due to be released around this time next year. 

I hope it is as brutal and unforgiving as terror from the deep.  There was nothing better than an alien throwing a grenade inside your ship, wiping out half your crew while the rest went berserk and started shooting the walls and each other - on the first move - and still, somehow, managing to complete the mission.  That game was hardcore!

EDIT: if anyone is interested, the game can be purchased at matrixgames.com (http://www.matrixgames.com/products/342/details/UFO:.Extraterrestrials)

It's not made by the same people though.

Thanks, Dismal Dan.  :)

Honestly, I'm not sure what you mean by that.

UFO: Extraterrestrials wasn't made by the same people as X-COM, it's just a knock off. I didn't really care for it myself.

<sigh>

I'm guessing you checked it out then?  No good? That's a bummer.  I was all excited about it. 

I don't have an issue with it being made by another company, in and of itself, but my hope was that it was true to the originals.   

Well, I'm afraid no game will ever be a real successor to the old X-Com games. If you like to play it, I'd recommend setting up an old 486 or P1 again (did this, I also found playing games like TIE Fighter, Colonization and DOOM after such a long time really great!), much better than DOS Box. The UFO Trilogy (Extraterrestrials isn't part of that, it's Aftermath, Aftershock (personal favorite) and Afterlight) also isn't bad, but I'd rather recommend UFO: Aftershock or UFO: Afterlight. Especially Afterlight has a cool soundtrack btw., but it doesn't come up with too much atmosphere... Extraterrestrials made me curious, but the ratings about this game haven't been to optimistic (to say the least), so I didn't have a look. Ok, enough brackets here, if I'm typing another one, I'm afraid to trigger some LISP interpreter.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Drewthetexan on December 18, 2009, 08:29:17 PM
I'm guessing you checked it out then?  No good? That's a bummer.  I was all excited about it. 

I don't have an issue with it being made by another company, in and of itself, but my hope was that it was true to the originals.   

Give it a try, some people liked it. Maybe I'm just old and jaded.

I think growing old necessarily involves becoming jaded.  Nothing is ever as good as it was in the glory days when everything was new and exciting. (except the sub shop I've rediscovered after 20 years)


Well, I'm afraid no game will ever be a real successor to the old X-Com games. If you like to play it, I'd recommend setting up an old 486 or P1 again (did this, I also found playing games like TIE Fighter, Colonization and DOOM after such a long time really great!), much better than DOS Box. The UFO Trilogy (Extraterrestrials isn't part of that, it's Aftermath, Aftershock (personal favorite) and Afterlight) also isn't bad, but I'd rather recommend UFO: Aftershock or UFO: Afterlight. Especially Afterlight has a cool soundtrack btw., but it doesn't come up with too much atmosphere... Extraterrestrials made me curious, but the ratings about this game haven't been to optimistic (to say the least), so I didn't have a look. Ok, enough brackets here, if I'm typing another one, I'm afraid to trigger some LISP interpreter.

A buddy of mine set me up with a virtual box on a now dead computer specifically to run the older games a few years back. I got to play x-com for a few weeks before school overran my schedule.  Thinking I'm gonna have to hit him up again.

We loved playing Buzz Aldrin's race into space.  That was a game you almost never could win because the probability of failure was so incredibly high.

Honestly, sometimes I do prefer the older games over the newer ones. They were harder and you felt like you accomplished something when you beat it.  None of this bullshit resurrection and carrying on.  You had to start over.  From the beginning.  In the snow.  Uphill, both ways...  And we liked it!

Definitely going to check out the UFO series.   
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Shirow on December 18, 2009, 09:06:06 PM
If you like turn based games, try Silent Storm, it's one of the best ones I've played for a while. Last good turn based game to come out that I played.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Lexus on December 19, 2009, 06:03:28 AM
Silent Storm looks interesting. To bad they dont sell it anymore.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: CaptainBrad on December 20, 2009, 12:13:47 PM
I have been playing Heroes of  Might and Magic 5 for the last while.  It is pretty fun turn based strategy.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Shirow on December 20, 2009, 12:19:37 PM
Silent Storm looks interesting. To bad they dont sell it anymore.

I'm sure it's still around somewhere
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Drewthetexan on December 21, 2009, 10:26:10 AM
http://www.homeoftheunderdogs.net/


Speaking of old games lurking about, this site has has just about every old computer game ever made.  It's a veritable treasure trove of enjoyment, provided you can get the games running.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Drewthetexan on December 24, 2009, 06:43:33 PM
http://www.homeoftheunderdogs.net/


Speaking of old games lurking about, this site has has just about every old computer game ever made.  It's a veritable treasure trove of enjoyment, provided you can get the games running.

I was informed today that this is not *the* site that it once was.  In fact something happened a couple of years ago and the archives were lost to memory, so... yeah.

Bummer.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: ryno525 on December 24, 2009, 09:10:48 PM
Starcraft 2 is set to be released somtime in 2010 iirc. It's not turn based..but its an RTS with alot of potential and work put into it. I think It will be the best RTS ever made when It's released.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: K0brA on February 03, 2010, 10:05:49 AM
Ok I'm a huge fan of RTS style games, and as for 2010 and games now, Starcraft was always a win, and Starcraft 2 I am waiting for with great anticipation. Also, Supreme Commander (and the Forged Alliance expansion) was an extreme win, and I'm waiting for Supreme Commander 2 with I think more anticipation than Starcraft 2.. and as for ooooold games, only sort of strategy based, Star Control II: The Ur-Quan Masters.. Best game of it's time, and ever lol. And I've noticed a theme in my favorite games... All have the acronym "SC" haha. Awesomesauce.

-K0brA-
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Pyramid_Head on February 03, 2010, 11:46:05 AM
i hear blizzard plans to make each species campaign on a seperate disk at a seperate price, like they dont make enough money with warcraft, throw us a freggin bone here, if this is actually what takes place, I dont care how good a game it is I refuse to be the victim of corporate greed, blizzard can shove it up their arse
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Lexus on February 03, 2010, 02:31:29 PM
Nah, I heard that each disk contains like a full game worth of missions and shit. So its basically so that Starcraft 2 consists of 3 separate games.

At least, they better be doing that.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Pyramid_Head on February 03, 2010, 02:37:24 PM
thats crap they can easily fit all 3 campaigns in one box whether it be in 3 disks or 1, the point is we shouldnt have to pay 3 times to get a whole game experience
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Oekelboter on February 12, 2010, 09:05:16 PM
On the Old-tour...

Anyone remember Warhammer 40K: Chaos Gate?
Gameplay linkylink: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXe0RfMHvo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXe0RfMHvo)
Played that turn-based strategy thingy to bits.
Even had an editor to make your own scenarios (tougher ones for me and Deathtraps for friends ;).

Not sure if this still plays on XP or later though...
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: K0brA on February 15, 2010, 04:09:51 PM
Personally, I don't know if I'd cave and get SC2 still even if they did that whole 3 separate disks thing.. I'd definitely frown upon them for doing that, but I dunno if I'd cave and buy as well haha. Maybe.. But nothing will stop me from getting Supreme Commander 2!! Except of course the lack of a release xD

And as for warhammer: nope o.o never played it.. I have the newerish one on the xbox 360, but I just couldn't get into it.. Played through some of the first mission and just turn it off.. Not sure why, but it's so hard for me to get into that game.
Title: Re: Strategy Games
Post by: Lexus on February 16, 2010, 05:47:32 AM
There is a warhammer strategy game on the Xbox?

I heard Relic is making one, but I thought that one was far from being finished.

As for Supreme Commander 2, I dunno. 1 got a little boring after a while. It just took to long to make a significantly big enough army. Especially the higher tech units. I dont like waiting 5 minutes before the highest tech ship is done. Of course, you could speed it up to 2 minutes, but that meant you where suddenly all out of resources.